When You Only Call God in a Crisis - Judges 10:1–11:34 (Session 11)

God refuses to help Israel because they refuse to repent, treating God like a Judges 10 records Israel falling once again into widespread idolatry. This time the people are not worshiping just one or two false gods. Scripture lists the gods of numerous surrounding nations before concluding that Israel had forsaken the Lord and no longer served Him.

In this session, Glenn and Steve begin by making an important distinction about suffering. Judges repeatedly connects Israel’s deliberate sin with painful consequences, but Scripture does not teach that every instance of suffering is caused by a person’s individual sin. Job provides a clear example of righteous suffering whose full purpose was never explained to the person experiencing it.

Israel’s situation in Judges 10, however, resulted directly from rebellion. After eighteen years of oppression, the people finally cry out to God. This time God responds differently. He reminds them of all the previous times He delivered them and tells them to seek help from the false gods they chose.

The passage raises an important question: Did Israel really want God, or did they simply want relief from suffering? Treating God like a repairman—ignoring Him until something breaks—is not the same as genuine repentance. Eventually Israel puts away the foreign gods and begins serving the Lord again.

Judges 11 then introduces Jephthah. Born to a prostitute, he is rejected by his brothers for circumstances beyond his control. Yet when Ammon threatens Israel, the same people who rejected him suddenly need his help.

Rather than respond with bitterness, Jephthah appears calm and recognizes that any victory must come from Yahweh. He first attempts to negotiate with the Ammonite king, presenting historical, theological, and chronological arguments for Israel’s right to the land.

The session concludes with Jephthah making a dangerous vow before battle. God gives him victory, but when Jephthah returns home, his only daughter comes out to meet him. The consequences of that vow will be examined in the next session.

Scripture: Judges 10:1–11:34
Series: The Book of Judges — An RTTB Study

Questions discussed in this session:

• Would God sell Israel to its enemies? 
• What would have happen for God say He will not help? 
• Is it wise to make vows to God? 
• What happens when we only go to God when we need help?  

Transcript

The Consequences of Disobedience in Judges

Speaker 1 0:21

Here we are in the book of Judges , working our way through verse by verse in Judges , here on Reasoning Through the Bible Podcast , and we are at chapter 10 and we're going to be starting out there . One tidbit I'd like to touch on before we go too far into this . Steve , we've been talking a lot in the book of Judges about Israel's disobedience , the corresponding consequences and suffering that comes about . It's a very , very clear connection . When Israel disobeyed God , then God removed his blessing and his power . The evil came in and they suffered . So it's very clear their suffering was caused by their sin , correct . Now , what's not true is that every time somebody suffers it's because of sin .

Speaker 1 1:08

Well , I just want to make that clear for everybody . It is true that whenever you sin , there's going to be consequences and there's going to be some suffering , but what's not true is just because you're having something painful in your life , therefore it's because of sin .

Speaker 2 1:23

Yeah , there's not always a direct correlation between suffering and being on the wrong side of God . What you're trying to say .

Speaker 1 1:31

And I just want to make that really clear to people , because going through verse by verse in the book of Judges , there's no way to get beyond this consequence of you do this sin . Then there's this pain . In logic it works like this All horses have four legs Does not necessarily mean that everything with four legs is a horse . You can't flip it around . So just because every time you sin there's going to be suffering doesn't mean because they're suffering , therefore there's sin in your life and the suffering that somebody might be experiencing , it might be because of our bodies .

Speaker 2 2:03

Our bodies are finite structures . They're not here eternally . Our spirits are and we'll have a glorified body right , it's Christians which will be eternal . But the bodies we have are not eternal . They're going to break down . That's what aging is basically . But they're also going to be diseased from time to time and as part of those diseases that we have , there's suffering that takes place and we see loved ones that might have the same thing . That's part of the aging process . That's part of the human process . It doesn't have a correlation to those people or us suffering of our bodies breaking down because we have sin personally against God .

Speaker 1 2:42

And I think the book of Job brings this up . I mean , Job suffered because God allowed Satan to come in and attack him . Job's friends over the course of the book were trying to build that case . Hey , you're suffering . All this bad stuff happened to you . There must have been something that you did .

Speaker 2 2:59

Why don't you go ahead and curse God and get it over with , or something like that too .

Speaker 1 3:03

I think it's one of the best things I find , if you finish the book of Job , is that we don't know why God allowed this to happen . God allowed it to happen , but he never explains the reason why Sometimes God allows things to happen in our lives that have a source in the spiritual realm , but we don't know God's ways and why he's allowing these things .

Speaker 2 3:25

But to your beginning point is that there are things that we do directly against God that can cause suffering . That's what we're seeing with the nation of Israel .

Speaker 1 3:34

We can be sure that if we deviate from God's path then we're going to have some pain in our lives . So back to the book of Judges , chapter 10 . And in the book of Judges , chapter 10 , verses 1 through 3 mentions these two judges and we're not told very much about these two judges . Sometimes in the book of Judges it'll spend a long time on a particular judge and in some cases there's only one verse or maybe two . So in Judges , chapter 10 , the first three verses mentions two of them and all of us should ask ourselves whether , when we're gone , is there going to be something more remembered about us than these two judges here with these couple of little blurbs is the only thing in my life is on my headstone the dash in between the two years .

Speaker 1 4:24

We should all strive for leaving something eternal behind that will have some eternal consequences .

Speaker 2 4:30

And in both of these , the first one said he judged 23 years , the second one 22 years . So there was a pretty good timeframe that they were judges and there were there , just that we don't have any specifics about them .

Speaker 1 4:44

And just one little tidbit in chapter 10 , verse 1 , after Benelik died , told of the Son of Pua , the Son of Dodo . Now I've met some sons of Dodo and I think you're thinking about the Dodo bird . I have met some sons of Dodo and they generally need some more wisdom . But we'll leave that behind and move on . The important part of judges in chapter 10 is verse six is the first thing , and I'll just read Judges 10 , 6, .

Speaker 1 5:14

The sons of Israel again did evil in the sight of the Lord , served the balls and the asteroth , the gods of Aram , the gods of Sidon , the gods of Moab , the gods of the sons of Ammon and the gods of the Philistines . Thus they forsook the Lord and did not serve him . Now , when I counted that , I counted seven groups of gods , so there's not just a couple . Idolatry and the worship of these foreign gods was rampant and , as we've seen earlier in the book , these were very evil things that these people did with these gods . It's just amazing to me that there's so many of them and that Israel is so far into this idol worship . They've gone over completely into idol worship . All of those list of seven groups were plural gods of Sidon , gods of Moab , so there were many of these things .

Speaker 2 6:10

So it does come to question , and one thing that I have had through the years is why does Israel keep on being pulled back or falling back into these gods ? And we'll get into more of that as we go through the book . But a question comes up for us . If there's particular areas that we have that we struggle with in our life , the question is why do we continue to keep going back to those , whatever they might be ? It is something to ponder on , but through it all , we can always see , through this cycle , that if we repent of it and reach out to God , that he's faithful to be able to pull us back out of it .

Speaker 1 6:45

Are we any better than the people of Israel ? No .

Speaker 2 6:48

No , the book of Judges , to me , is a mirror . It's a mirror of my life on so many , so many facets . It's true , with mankind in general , that the book of Judges is just a mirror .

Speaker 1 7:00

When Israel was left to themselves , they ended up wandering into all these idols . So I think I would agree with you , steve left to myself , I'm not any better at staying with the Lord , and I've got a greater revelation than they did .

Speaker 1 7:12

I've got the Gospels in the New Testament and we still wander . So we do have one thing that ancient Israel did not have the Holy Spirit . The Holy Spirit with us , correct ? Then verse 7 says the anger of the Lord burned against Israel and he sold them into the hands of the Philistines and into the hands of the sons of Ammon . So interesting there that he uses this phrase sold , and I find that interesting . Over in the New Testament we're told that Jesus bought us . I think it's in Peter . He says the people denied the Lord that bought them . So there's this concept in the Bible of buying and selling and Jesus paying the price for our sins . Not sure how far we want to go with that , but nevertheless here it is . He sold them into the hands of the evil people . There's a redemption that has to happen . There's a redeeming , a buying back that has to happen .

Speaker 2 8:08

And , of course , in the story of Jesus he was betrayed and his betrayal was sold . Judas was bought with 30 pieces of silver , so he was handed over to the evil , so to speak , for a price as well .

Speaker 1 8:21

So one of the themes that the theologians have in the concept of salvation or the concept of atonement is this idea of paying a price and redeeming and buying back .

Speaker 2 8:34

Yeah , and one thing too is that we're going through judges . After this will go through Ruth , which is a another book that takes place during the time of judges , and it's a natural progression and the book of Ruth goes into great detail of that kinsman redeemer and the concept of redemption and how to be redeemed .

Speaker 1 8:53

So then , in verses seven , eight and nine , the Philistines and the Amorites oppressed Israel for 18 years until they suffered greatly . It says so . Here's a question , verse 10 . What does Israel do in verse 10 ? They cried out , cried out to the . Lord right , Cried out to the Lord , which only happens because now they're in pain . It's not happening because they really love the Lord . So then , verses 11 and 12 , god again reminds Israel of the several times in the past that he delivered them .

Speaker 2 9:22

One thing too , just real quick on verse 10 , it's also is that they cried out , but they also aligned themselves with what the actual problem was that they sinned against the Lord , god Yahweh , and they forsook Him . Other places in judges , we see that they bring up and question why has God forsaken us ? And it's never been a case of God forsaking them . It's always been a case of them going . So not only did they cry out , but they also lined themselves up with God in regards to this is the reason why we're having to cry out .

Speaker 1 9:54

So the interesting part to me in this chapter is verses 13 through 16 . So , steve , can you read Judges 10 , verses 13 to 16? .

Speaker 2 10:02

Then the sons of Israel cried out to the Lord , saying we have sinned against you , for indeed we have forsaken our God and served the Ba'al . The Lord said to the sons of Israel that I not deliver you from the Egyptians , the Amorites , the sons of Ammon and the Philistines . Also , when the Sedonians , the Amalekites and the Amonites oppressed you , you cried out to me and I delivered you from their hands . Yet you have forsaken me and served other gods . Therefore , I will no longer deliver you . Go and cry out to the gods which you have chosen . Let them deliver you in the time of your distress . The sons of the Israel said to the Lord we have sinned due to us . Whatever seems good to you , only , please deliver us this day . So they put away the foreign gods from among them and served the Lord , and he could bear the misery of Israel no longer .

Speaker 1 11:04

So this is in a really low spot for Israel . They're in a bad spot . This is a low point At this point . Basically , god says you've been looking to these other gods , let them help

God's Response to Israel's Repentance

Speaker 1 11:16

you . So what would it be like to hear from God that he's not going to deliver us ?

Speaker 2 11:21

To me it would be devastating . It would be devastating .

Speaker 1 11:25

Now we've said repeatedly in our studies that if we only turn to God , that he's always faithful if we genuinely repent . Question is it possible to disobey God so much and so often that he turns his back on us and will not help us ?

Speaker 2 11:43

I believe the Scripture is clear in the New Testament and stuff like that , that that can happen , to the point that he just turns them over to ourselves to whatever they want . Now he's always willing to forgive and he died for all . The question is whether or not the person will actually cry out to him , align with him , much like what Israel did here . So it's not so much , I think . Will God forsake them as is . Will the people ever cry out to him and ask for forgiveness and for him to show that he has mercy on them ?

Speaker 1 12:18

Well , up to this point in the book prior to now in the book . Every time whenever they genuinely repented , he always raised up a deliverer , pushed out the enemy . Now they're crying out to God and he's saying sorry , charlie , you've used up all your coupons , I'm not going to save you . So I submit that there's a reason why and it's not just because we have this image of God as a parent . I mean , that's part of it . We're called children of God and think of it as a parent . If you had a child that repeatedly went back oh I'm sorry , mom , dad , I'm sorry , just help me out of this one jam I've got myself in over and over and over again . Eventually you know they're not really repentant anymore . They just want you to get them out of a jam . The story of the boy that cried wall , boy who cried wall I think that's part of what's going on here is that the children of Israel have just done this so much that God realizes they're not genuinely repenting .

Speaker 1 13:17

Yeah , house and seer , because if they were genuinely repenting , they wouldn't be in this problem over and over . So I think that's one of the main things here . So what happens when we forget about God and the only time we go to him is when we need to be saved from a problem we've gotten ourselves into . Can we expect God to respond when we treat him like a repairman ? Because that's what they're doing .

Speaker 1 13:41

They're , just they're just like okay , God , I've got it under control , I'll call you if I need you , and they go off and get themselves into a jam and then , oh , I need this thing fixed . Call the guy . They've called the guy and the repairman says I'm not helping you .

Speaker 2 13:57

In that way , glenn , what's talked about in the New Testament and even some of the philosophies today and the thoughts today of people that since I have salvation , that I'm free to do whatever I want to . I think the official term is they have . I have license to do whatever I want to because God is going to save me . I have that assurance of salvation . But it's not really that way . And yes , we have the assurance of salvation , but the question early is why are you going off and doing the things that you're doing that are against God ? If you truly have salvation , if you've truly decided to follow him , then why is it that you feel that you can just go off and do whatever you want to and use him as a repairman to your point ?

Speaker 1 14:43

Good point . Let's approach it from the standpoint of love . Is it loving for God to refuse to help them here ?

Speaker 2 14:50

Yes , yeah . It's a wake up call . Hey , I'm not always going to be here , possibly . I mean just like if we had a child , a teenager .

Speaker 1 14:58

Eventually you have to love them enough to let them suffer the consequences of their actions . If you're constantly bailing them out of a problem , then they're never going to learn . I think part of what's going on here is that God says you're going to have to learn the consequences of your action . I'm not bailing you out this time . So in verse 15 , israel throws itself on the mercy of God only because they're in such a bad spot , not because they're truly repentant and not because they love God . It's because they're in such a painful position that , oh , my goodness , what can we do ? We were out of all our other options . Let's call God . Everything else failed . Let's try God . They're not doing it because they love God and they're not doing it because they're truly sorry for what they did . They're just doing it because of the pain of the spot they're in . They've run out of options .

Speaker 1 15:50

So then , in Judges 11 , verses one through three , there was a man named Gilead . He had a son by a prostitute and also had sons by his wife , and then the sons by the wife rejected the son by the prostitute whose name was Jephthah . So in Judges 11 , we're introduced to Jephthah . He again was a son of a prostitute and he gets rejected by the other children that his father sired through the mother . Question should we reject people because of things they cannot do anything about ? In this case , the children of the wife rejected the other child of their father . Oh , he's the son of a prostitute , get him out of here . Question should we reject people ? Jephthah couldn't do anything about it . It's like the color of skin or where he was born or how he grew up . It's not his fault that this happened . Is it justified to reject people because of things they can't do anything about ?

Speaker 2 16:52

No , obviously not .

Speaker 1 16:54

We should always be kind and gracious to everyone , because we never know who we might need help from In this case , later in this chapter , they're going to need help , and guess who is the one they're going to have to call for help is the guy they've been rejecting all his life . So if we don't evaluate people by things that are out of their control , what do we evaluate people from ? How do we judge people ? It's by their actions , what they believe and what they've done , and are they doing good things or are they doing bad things ? It's not by any other factor . Jephthah leaves town and surrounds himself , it says , with worthless people , which is kind of expected .

Speaker 1 17:34

If he gets rejected by all the people in the community , what's he going to do ? He's going to go find friends . Then verses four and five the Ammonites attacked Israel . So now Israel is in a bad spot . They need a strong military leader . So they go and they find Jephthah and ask him to be their leader . The men of Gilead were only asking Jephthah again because they're in a bad spot . They were in a jam and they need help . They've been rejecting this guy all his life . Now they need him . So they go find him and ask him to be their leader . The men of Gilead were similar to Israel in the sense that Israel would reject God but then go to him when they had a jam . That's what they're doing here .

Speaker 1 18:14

Let me read Judges , chapter 11 , starting in verse nine , and it says here so Jephthah said to the elders of Gilead If you take me back to fight against the sons of Ammon and the Lord gives them up to me , will I become your head ? The elders of Gilead said to Jephthah the Lord is a witness between us . Surely we will do as you have said . Then Jephthah went with the elders of Gilead and the people made him head and chief over them and Jephthah spoke all his words before the Lord at Misbah . What does it seem that Jephthah's attitude is here ? Think of this guy . He's the one that's been discriminated against unfairly all his life . Is he calm and level headed , or is he puffed up and prideful ? Or is he really revengeful ? I could understand some people at this point saying , hey , yeah , you've been treating me bad all my life and now you're coming to me for help . I don't see any of that .

Speaker 2 19:07

Well , we see it . We get a little bit of glimpse of him in verse nine , in that he says and the Lord gives them up to me . So he does acknowledge that it would be God that would be the one that would deliver him , not him on his own strength . So that kind of gives a little glimpse into his thought process in general . Yeah , the people are coming to him , they're not going to God

Negotiating With Evil and Making Vows

Speaker 2 19:28

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Speaker 1 19:28

What I like here with this guy , jephthah , is the attitude . He mentions God in the first something . He says hey , if God gives them up to me . He seems to be level-headed . He doesn't come across as angry , he doesn't come across as vengeful , and if anybody had a right to , it'd be this guy . So he had been discriminated against . Yet he comes in here . He seems calm , he seems level-headed , he seems like his mind is in a rugged spot . He doesn't seem vengeful at all . So I think we can learn from Jephthah . We should be calm and avoid vengeance , even if we have been treated unfairly . The biblical model is to forgive . So look at verse nine . Who does Jephthah say would be the one to give him the victory ? The Lord Yahweh will give them up to ?

Speaker 2 20:13

me .

Speaker 1 20:14

In verse 11 , jephthah agrees and the people make him their leader . Israel needed a strong leader . So here's a question is it wise or is it foolish to make someone a leader just because they're strong and not because of whether they follow God or not ? Do we elect officials because of how good they are , or do we elect them and say , okay , we're gonna wait and see how he does ?

Speaker 1 20:41

On the theology test with the Bible , I think of World War II . There was a general named George Patton who was very ruthless . He cussed so much he could make a sailor blush , but he was the man of the hour . He believed in some horrible spiritual things , but yet he was the man that was needed at the time . If I need God forbid you or I need brain surgery , I'm not gonna give the doctor a test on what his theology is . I want the best brain surgeon around . Nevertheless , if it's a church setting or if I have a choice between a godly leader and somebody that's not godly , I'm gonna make the choice of the godly leader , certainly in a church setting . But even if we have elections for politicians , I think that there's times where we really should look at somebody's spiritual condition , but too many times , at least in our elections , the choice is between a demon and the devil . That's the options that are before us , so we can't always say I'm not gonna vote for anybody because I don't see any Christians here .

Speaker 1 21:49

We'll be guilty of what it says in 1 John , which is trying to get ourselves out of the world , which you can't do . So then , starting in verse 12 , and going through 28 , jeftha tries to negotiate with this enemy king , and there's this rather lengthy conversation where he goes back and forth with this king of Ammon , trying to negotiate his way out of a battle . In one sense , that's good . It's better to negotiate . War is a horrible thing . A lot of people die , innocent people die . Give them some credit for trying to negotiate on this thing before he just has to go into battle . I would say , yes , it's better to try to negotiate peace than to be hasty to go to war . But can we expect to negotiate with evil ? Remember , ammon represents the people that have consciously rejected God , have the horrible idol worship . These people represent evil . Can you expect to negotiate with evil and get anywhere ?

Speaker 2 22:49

No , not really . You can't trust evil . How are you going to be able to know and trust that evil is going to keep their word on anything that you negotiate with them ? On Number one . Number two is they still remain evil . In these other situations where God delivered them , it's very clear that God is the person who's giving the delivering , delivering from the nation of Israel , so it's a representation of God himself , of who is the one and true God . But in this case , as he's negotiating with your point , with evil there's really not going to be . It's not going to change them from being evil . They're still going to be evil people .

Speaker 1 23:25

Taking into a personal situation . Let's say I'm tempted to sin and I have some evil intention , some evil desire that's in my head , that's tempting me towards evil and I negotiate with that . Can I let my Christian nature negotiate with that temptation and expect to get ?

Speaker 2 23:44

anywhere ? Yeah , another way to put that would be justification . Can you justify that's a lot of times what we do is we justify the reason that we're doing these things , that we know that God doesn't want us to do , but we come up with a justification form . That's the reason , the negotiation part .

Speaker 1 24:03

What does Jesus say ? If our eye causes us to suck it out or our hand causes us to sin , cut it off . He is very clear If you have evil in your life , be radical with it , don't negotiate with it . Don't try to sit down across the conference room table and be reasonable here . No , cut it out , get it out of your life , because you're not going to get anywhere negotiating with evil .

Speaker 1 24:27

So then , at verse 24 , jeff is talking with the enemy king and mentions the God of Moab and the God of Israel , and there's a sense here amongst these people that they think these two deities are struggling against each other . At least the Ammonites do so . It seems to be that there's in the conversation at least , that they would expect the victory to go to the strongest God , and I think that's a very pagan way of looking at things , simply because with the true God , yahweh , if you look at the definition , yahweh is the creator of all things , he is infinite and he's powerful . Therefore , he's infinitely powerful and there's really no power struggle here . There's things that he allows , but there's not like a contest between these two gods that see which one's really going to be the most powerful .

Speaker 2 25:24

In his arguments and these previous verses that lead up to where you're referencing , jetheth does go through a logical argument . He uses historical reasonings in verses 19 to 21 . He uses theological reasonings in verses 23 and 24 . He uses a personal reasoning in verse 25 . Then he goes to a chronological period in verse 26 . And then he comes to this conclusion that you're talking about in verse 27 . In regards to appealing to the divine judge , yahweh , the judge this day between Israel and Amon , so I think here that part of what Jeff the maybe doing is just a .

Speaker 1 26:05

Again , he's in the middle of a negotiation . So I think part of what he's doing here is talking to the other person in a way he would understand . He's sort of appeasing the other king , saying if your God was stronger than he'll win . Read the next few verses . Start at verse 29 and read down to 34 .

Speaker 2 26:24

Now the spirit of the Lord came upon Jeffa so that he passed through Gilead and Manasseh . Then he passed through Mispah of Gilead , and from Mispah of Gilead he went to the sons of Amon . Jeffa made a vow to the Lord and said if you will indeed give me the sons of Amon in my hand , then it shall be that whatever comes out of the doors of my house to meet me when I return to peace from the sons of Amon , it shall be the Lord's and I will offer it up as a burnt offering . So Jeffa crossed over to the sons of Amon to fight against them , and the Lord gave them into his hand . He struck them with a very great slaughter from Aurora to the entrance of Meneth , 20 cities and as far as Abel Karamon . So the sons of Amon were subdued before the sons of Israel . When Jeffa came to his house at Mispah , behold , his daughter was coming out to meet him with tambourines and with dancing . Now , she was his one and only child . Besides her he had no son or daughter .

Speaker 1 27:31

Okay , so Jeffa wins these battles , and in verse 29, . Why did he win ? What reason does it give in verse 29 that says Jeffa ?

Speaker 2 27:40

won Because the Lord had given him into his hand .

Speaker 1 27:43

So the Lord is the one that actually controls the battles . Verse 30 , he makes this vow to the Lord . Is it wise to make vows to the Lord ?

Speaker 2 27:53

Well , you think at the time that it is something in a way , it's a negotiation as well , so you have to be prepared to follow through with it . If you make it so , you need to think twice about what the vow is .

Speaker 1 28:07

I think we need to be very , very careful making a vow to the Lord and take that very , very seriously . We don't need to say those things lightly . I tend to hesitate to make vows to the Lord , not because it's a necessarily bad idea , it's just I know how weak my flesh is and any vow that would depend on my weak flesh to make it happen is a vow that doesn't have a real great chance of me being able to keep .

Speaker 2 28:34

Well , another question is do we have to make a vow ?

Speaker 1 28:37

Right , and in this case did he have to make that

Implications of Making Vows to God

Speaker 1 28:40

vow . Was that a wise vow ?

Speaker 2 28:42

I mean , he could have vowed to sacrifice something there is thoughts that in those days , your animals were on the lower floor of your house as part of the protection and things like that , the ones that you were keeping for sacrifice and other reasons If you were a follower of Yahweh and the living quarters were above . So the thought is that he was thinking that when he comes up , maybe one of the animals , one of the sacrificial animals , were going to come out and he had vowed that he is going to sacrifice that animal . It shows that he wasn't thinking ahead to the point of well , what happens if a human being comes out , because it was very much provided that there were not to be any type of human sacrifices in the worship of God .

Speaker 1 29:26

So I think here Jeff the makes a foolish vow . I think that there are times when maybe people in our day think , oh God , I'll give you money at the church if you just give me this job . Or hey , god , if you'll heal my disease here , then I'll give you this and that . Can we get things out of God by doing thoughts like that ?

Speaker 2 29:50

No , because that's not the love , the type of love that God has towards us .

Speaker 1 29:56

Imagine your child coming up to you and saying mom , dad , I'll pay you if you do something nice for me . Right ? That's not really love . What does a parent really want ? They want a child that loves them the same thing with God . So probably ought to pause right here . We'll pick up next time and we'll find out what happens to this daughter . He , jeff , has made this vow and now he's surprised . This daughter comes out of the door . We'll find out next time what happens on reasoning through the bud .